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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://www.agenttimonline.com/2005/10/27/taking-on-racism-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5878</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katlin, the reason why people shut down on you not because of some raging nationalism, but because they associate &quot;white&quot; South Africans with apartheid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katlin, the reason why people shut down on you not because of some raging nationalism, but because they associate &#8220;white&#8221; South Africans with apartheid.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.agenttimonline.com/2005/10/27/taking-on-racism-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5245</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 05:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, Agent Tim...this place rocks...keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, Agent Tim&#8230;this place rocks&#8230;keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Kaitlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know.  But life has to go on.  I just suck it up and take it like a WOG.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know.  But life has to go on.  I just suck it up and take it like a WOG.  <img src='http://www.agenttimonline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MVB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MVB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s really terrible and disgusting, Kaitlin!</description>
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		<title>By: Kaitlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in South Africa for 14 1/2 years and I never knew anyone who was lactose intolerant.  Now in the US, it seems to me that everyone is.  I didn&#039;t even know what lactose was until I moved here 11 months and 26 days ago (but hey, who&#039;s counting?).  I&#039;ve also noticed while I&#039;ve been here that most people don&#039;t dicriminate because of color so much as nationality.  I&#039;m white, people look at me and think nothing of it, then they start talking to me, I have an accent, they ask me where I come from, I say South Africa.  Guess what; immediate shut down.  I honestly get the sense of American Superiorism from that.  Do you know what the worst part is?  They will then treat me like I know nothing,like I&#039;m stupid and they are better than me.  And on top of all that they will assume things of South Africa, it&#039;s not like I was born there or lived there my whole life, it&#039;s not like that was my home!  No, to them I&#039;m a complete idiot and if I try to correct them, they tell me that I&#039;m lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in South Africa for 14 1/2 years and I never knew anyone who was lactose intolerant.  Now in the US, it seems to me that everyone is.  I didn&#8217;t even know what lactose was until I moved here 11 months and 26 days ago (but hey, who&#8217;s counting?).  I&#8217;ve also noticed while I&#8217;ve been here that most people don&#8217;t dicriminate because of color so much as nationality.  I&#8217;m white, people look at me and think nothing of it, then they start talking to me, I have an accent, they ask me where I come from, I say South Africa.  Guess what; immediate shut down.  I honestly get the sense of American Superiorism from that.  Do you know what the worst part is?  They will then treat me like I know nothing,like I&#8217;m stupid and they are better than me.  And on top of all that they will assume things of South Africa, it&#8217;s not like I was born there or lived there my whole life, it&#8217;s not like that was my home!  No, to them I&#8217;m a complete idiot and if I try to correct them, they tell me that I&#8217;m lying.</p>
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		<title>By: MVB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MVB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tangoman: &quot;the Human Brain is still evolving and that different races have different distributions of the two alleles associated with brain growth.&quot;
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  Oh come on! Since when do we believe what the New York Times says? As a Bible- believing Christian, my view is simple: 

   &quot;And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

  &quot;So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


  &quot;And God blessed them, and God said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth....&quot;

    - Genesis 1: 26- 28a

  No racial difference to God, a man created in his image is the same as any other man, in God&#039;s eyes. Now there was a time back in the... 1700-1800s where black people were not as well educated as white people were. Then whites looked down at them as stupid, which was entirely incorrect.

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  &quot;It’s not just skin color that differs – lactose tolerance is almost universal in parts of Europe and almost absent in parts of Africa, and also degree of hypertension, prostate cancer, aplastic anemia, MS, MD, etc all vary in incidence by race. In fact, even the rate of twin birth varies, with Asians having about 3/1,000, Whites, 7/1,000 and Blacks up to 49/1,000.&quot;
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   But do white supremacists see a black person and think &quot;I dislike them because they are lactose intolerant?&quot; The main reason for racism is skin-color which is absolutely absurd. It&#039;s like if we ( black haired people) started attacking and trashing blondes..

  Yes everyone is different, black people have inherited different traits from their parents then white people inherit. Black people live in Africa, they are affecting by more diseases and not affected by others. Your stats are fine but do not say that blacks are inferior. People with black skin get this disease easier and people with white skin get other diseases easier. I am allergic to Aspirin, does that make me inferior? Of course not. :)
So the point remains that racial discrimination is stupid and based on skin color.

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&quot;The fact that we see an achievement gap that doesn’t really close despite our best efforts is highly suggestive that cognitive genes weren’t immune to evolution.&quot;

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    The achievement gap hasn&#039;t closed yet because up to like 50 years ago, there was racial segregation, blacks weren&#039;t allowed to do certain things ( because of their skin color). Now look, Condoleeza Rice is Secretary of State! Sammy Sosa and Vladimar Guerrero are two of the best baseball players in the world. Look at Booker T. Washington and Carver they were to of the most brilliant minds on the planet. People have trouble co-existing with another person just because of his skin color, which is quite absurd.

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&quot;The future will be very interesting for we won’t be able to assume that different outcomes across racial groups is the result of societal discrimiantion.&quot;

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   Yes and that is why we are seeing more black people rise to power ( C. Rice, Oprah, Denzel Washington, Ray Charles, P. Diddy, sport athletes: Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Sammy Sosa, Ricky Williams, and many more) Hopefully the future will bring less racial tension...


Just because one race of humans has different genes or traits doesn&#039;t make them inferior. Black people, white people, brown people, red people :) are all equal. Who are we to say that they are not? Yes, science finds differences in the two races but A. these differences are not the reason there is racial discrimination and B. these reasons in no way make black people less human or less intelligent then whites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tangoman: &#8220;the Human Brain is still evolving and that different races have different distributions of the two alleles associated with brain growth.&#8221;<br />
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<p>  Oh come on! Since when do we believe what the New York Times says? As a Bible- believing Christian, my view is simple: </p>
<p>   &#8220;And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.</p>
<p>  &#8220;So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.</p>
<p>  &#8220;And God blessed them, and God said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>    &#8211; Genesis 1: 26- 28a</p>
<p>  No racial difference to God, a man created in his image is the same as any other man, in God&#8217;s eyes. Now there was a time back in the&#8230; 1700-1800s where black people were not as well educated as white people were. Then whites looked down at them as stupid, which was entirely incorrect.</p>
<p>     *   *   *   *    *   *    *</p>
<p>  &#8220;It’s not just skin color that differs – lactose tolerance is almost universal in parts of Europe and almost absent in parts of Africa, and also degree of hypertension, prostate cancer, aplastic anemia, MS, MD, etc all vary in incidence by race. In fact, even the rate of twin birth varies, with Asians having about 3/1,000, Whites, 7/1,000 and Blacks up to 49/1,000.&#8221;<br />
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<p>   But do white supremacists see a black person and think &#8220;I dislike them because they are lactose intolerant?&#8221; The main reason for racism is skin-color which is absolutely absurd. It&#8217;s like if we ( black haired people) started attacking and trashing blondes..</p>
<p>  Yes everyone is different, black people have inherited different traits from their parents then white people inherit. Black people live in Africa, they are affecting by more diseases and not affected by others. Your stats are fine but do not say that blacks are inferior. People with black skin get this disease easier and people with white skin get other diseases easier. I am allergic to Aspirin, does that make me inferior? Of course not. <img src='http://www.agenttimonline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
So the point remains that racial discrimination is stupid and based on skin color.</p>
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<p>&#8220;The fact that we see an achievement gap that doesn’t really close despite our best efforts is highly suggestive that cognitive genes weren’t immune to evolution.&#8221;</p>
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<p>    The achievement gap hasn&#8217;t closed yet because up to like 50 years ago, there was racial segregation, blacks weren&#8217;t allowed to do certain things ( because of their skin color). Now look, Condoleeza Rice is Secretary of State! Sammy Sosa and Vladimar Guerrero are two of the best baseball players in the world. Look at Booker T. Washington and Carver they were to of the most brilliant minds on the planet. People have trouble co-existing with another person just because of his skin color, which is quite absurd.</p>
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<p>&#8220;The future will be very interesting for we won’t be able to assume that different outcomes across racial groups is the result of societal discrimiantion.&#8221;</p>
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<p>   Yes and that is why we are seeing more black people rise to power ( C. Rice, Oprah, Denzel Washington, Ray Charles, P. Diddy, sport athletes: Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Sammy Sosa, Ricky Williams, and many more) Hopefully the future will bring less racial tension&#8230;</p>
<p>Just because one race of humans has different genes or traits doesn&#8217;t make them inferior. Black people, white people, brown people, red people <img src='http://www.agenttimonline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  are all equal. Who are we to say that they are not? Yes, science finds differences in the two races but A. these differences are not the reason there is racial discrimination and B. these reasons in no way make black people less human or less intelligent then whites.</p>
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		<title>By: TangoMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>TangoMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Our only difference now is our skin color. How is that any different from the fact that we have different personalities, and different abilities?&lt;/i&gt;

This is my first visit to your blog and your post shows you to be an earnest young guy trying to do the right things in life. However, let me offer a bit of a correction to your statement above.

Modern science has overturned the position that racial differences are only skin deep. In fact, just a few weeks ago there was startling news reported in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/science/08cnd-brain.html?ex=1130558400&amp;en=190171d1be103001&amp;ei=5070&amp;ei=5094&amp;en=7f83ee9b96d40611&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;hp=&amp;ex=1126238400&amp;adxnnl=0&amp;partner=homepage&amp;adxnnlx=1126212523-Sy51vhmKhac0/YQeUBpASA&amp;pagewanted=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The New York Times&lt;/a&gt; that the Human Brain is still evolving and that different races have different distributions of the two alleles associated with brain growth. To see how geneticists, biologists and anthropologists talk amongst themselves see my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2005/09/this-is-bruce-lahns-brain-on-aspm-and.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog&#039;s post&lt;/a&gt; and especially the comments (also look at the maps to see the distribution - one allele is virtually absent in Sub-Saharan Africa.)

We know that evolution works on human populations that are reproductively isolated. It&#039;s not just skin color that differs - lactose tolerance is almost universal in parts of Europe and almost absent in parts of Africa, and also degree of hypertension, prostate cancer, aplastic anemia, MS, MD, etc all vary in incidence by race. In fact, even the rate of twin birth varies, with Asians having about 3/1,000, Whites, 7/1,000 and Blacks up to 49/1,000.

The fact that we see an achievement gap that doesn&#039;t really close despite our best efforts is highly suggestive that cognitive genes weren&#039;t immune to evolution. In fact that is the stunning significance of the first paper I mentioned. There are follow-up papers in the works which show a strong correlation between the presence of those alleles and success on IQ tests.

The whole topic of racial differences is extremely interesting to many academics and of course to many people. The differences can be broken down into social/environmental influences and genetic influences. The latter aspect, and the rich findings being developed by genetic science, is undermining the discrimination assumption. The future will be very interesting for we won&#039;t be able to assume that different outcomes across racial groups is the result of societal discrimiantion.

One other point: your earlier essay on the Nazi&#039;s and race was quite good, but don&#039;t make the equivalence that to acknowledge group differences is the same as, or leads to, Nazism. That&#039;s a logical error equivalent to using the even more murderous ideology of Communism to condemn any acknowledgement of class differences, which really is the filter through which much of the Left views the world. Race exists, and so does class. Both concepts were used by murderous ideologies to inflict evil on the world. The concepts are not evil - the ideologies were. Nazism was about murdering on the basis of race and Communism was about murdering on the basis of class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Our only difference now is our skin color. How is that any different from the fact that we have different personalities, and different abilities?</i></p>
<p>This is my first visit to your blog and your post shows you to be an earnest young guy trying to do the right things in life. However, let me offer a bit of a correction to your statement above.</p>
<p>Modern science has overturned the position that racial differences are only skin deep. In fact, just a few weeks ago there was startling news reported in <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/science/08cnd-brain.html?ex=1130558400&amp;en=190171d1be103001&amp;ei=5070&amp;ei=5094&amp;en=7f83ee9b96d40611&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;hp=&amp;ex=1126238400&amp;adxnnl=0&amp;partner=homepage&amp;adxnnlx=1126212523-Sy51vhmKhac0/YQeUBpASA&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">The New York Times</a> that the Human Brain is still evolving and that different races have different distributions of the two alleles associated with brain growth. To see how geneticists, biologists and anthropologists talk amongst themselves see my <a href="http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2005/09/this-is-bruce-lahns-brain-on-aspm-and.php" rel="nofollow">blog&#8217;s post</a> and especially the comments (also look at the maps to see the distribution &#8211; one allele is virtually absent in Sub-Saharan Africa.)</p>
<p>We know that evolution works on human populations that are reproductively isolated. It&#8217;s not just skin color that differs &#8211; lactose tolerance is almost universal in parts of Europe and almost absent in parts of Africa, and also degree of hypertension, prostate cancer, aplastic anemia, MS, MD, etc all vary in incidence by race. In fact, even the rate of twin birth varies, with Asians having about 3/1,000, Whites, 7/1,000 and Blacks up to 49/1,000.</p>
<p>The fact that we see an achievement gap that doesn&#8217;t really close despite our best efforts is highly suggestive that cognitive genes weren&#8217;t immune to evolution. In fact that is the stunning significance of the first paper I mentioned. There are follow-up papers in the works which show a strong correlation between the presence of those alleles and success on IQ tests.</p>
<p>The whole topic of racial differences is extremely interesting to many academics and of course to many people. The differences can be broken down into social/environmental influences and genetic influences. The latter aspect, and the rich findings being developed by genetic science, is undermining the discrimination assumption. The future will be very interesting for we won&#8217;t be able to assume that different outcomes across racial groups is the result of societal discrimiantion.</p>
<p>One other point: your earlier essay on the Nazi&#8217;s and race was quite good, but don&#8217;t make the equivalence that to acknowledge group differences is the same as, or leads to, Nazism. That&#8217;s a logical error equivalent to using the even more murderous ideology of Communism to condemn any acknowledgement of class differences, which really is the filter through which much of the Left views the world. Race exists, and so does class. Both concepts were used by murderous ideologies to inflict evil on the world. The concepts are not evil &#8211; the ideologies were. Nazism was about murdering on the basis of race and Communism was about murdering on the basis of class.</p>
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		<title>By: MVB</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Racism is so stupid in my opinion. A man is a man, a woman is a woman, we are God&#039;s creatures, and are skin color makes us different? It is so ridiculous to me.

Good post, Agent Tim!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racism is so stupid in my opinion. A man is a man, a woman is a woman, we are God&#8217;s creatures, and are skin color makes us different? It is so ridiculous to me.</p>
<p>Good post, Agent Tim!</p>
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		<title>By: David Ketter</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ketter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Coffee* LOL...Tim...French Vanilla Cappucinno&#039;s good...Although, mine&#039;s powder-based.  Usually, I drink tea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Coffee* LOL&#8230;Tim&#8230;French Vanilla Cappucinno&#8217;s good&#8230;Although, mine&#8217;s powder-based.  Usually, I drink tea</p>
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		<title>By: One Salient Oversight</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Salient Oversight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louis Farrakhan is still alive Agent Tim. Keep on making posts about racism...</description>
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