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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;It was an intentional murder, I intended to shoot them, and I did.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://www.agenttimonline.com/2005/11/22/it-was-an-intentional-murder-i-intended-to-shoot-them-and-i-did/comment-page-1/#comment-10392</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the scenario you are all missing is that Ludwig had killed many times before.....as a hunter he was familiar with killing and was raised in a household full of guns.  David first slew the lion and the bear before killing the man Goliath in the old testament.  Was this a sick, twisted acting out of Ludwig&#039;s killing behavior- magnified to now include people?  Having become accustomed to taking the life of a lesser creature, he now acted out on a larger stage.  Just saying oh sure, we&#039;re all sinners, we can all kill, is a poor response to this issue.  In these New Testament times we must value the sanctity of all life.  Of course I as a Christian value human beings above all, but teaching our children to kill those weaker than ourselves for sport is not a responsible thing for Christian parents to do.  Life is a gift given by God, it is not to be treated lightly............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the scenario you are all missing is that Ludwig had killed many times before&#8230;..as a hunter he was familiar with killing and was raised in a household full of guns.  David first slew the lion and the bear before killing the man Goliath in the old testament.  Was this a sick, twisted acting out of Ludwig&#8217;s killing behavior- magnified to now include people?  Having become accustomed to taking the life of a lesser creature, he now acted out on a larger stage.  Just saying oh sure, we&#8217;re all sinners, we can all kill, is a poor response to this issue.  In these New Testament times we must value the sanctity of all life.  Of course I as a Christian value human beings above all, but teaching our children to kill those weaker than ourselves for sport is not a responsible thing for Christian parents to do.  Life is a gift given by God, it is not to be treated lightly&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Agent Tim Online :: Culture And Theology--Hand In Hand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agent Tim Online :: Culture And Theology--Hand In Hand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last night I had the wildest thought and feeling - I felt sorry for a killer. I felt a need to pray for him, his family, those he affected, and most importantly for his soul. This killer was David Ludwig, my ever-popular example for teens gone bad. His actions, killing his 14-year-old girlfriend&#8217;s parents in cold blood, should have been punished by death, yet I believe he probably received a sentence far worse - a life sentence thinking about his crime and surviving prison life. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Last night I had the wildest thought and feeling &#8211; I felt sorry for a killer. I felt a need to pray for him, his family, those he affected, and most importantly for his soul. This killer was David Ludwig, my ever-popular example for teens gone bad. His actions, killing his 14-year-old girlfriend&#8217;s parents in cold blood, should have been punished by death, yet I believe he probably received a sentence far worse &#8211; a life sentence thinking about his crime and surviving prison life. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Agent Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agent Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to God&#039;s Word, there is no one good. All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. But enough Bible verses...just take a look at God&#039;s Ten Commandments and tell me that you haven&#039;t broken at least one of them. According to God, we are all liars, theives, adulterers, and even murderers.

But how can we all be murderers? Pretty simple. In the New Testament, Jesus tells us that if you hate your brother, you have committed murder in your heart - heavy stuff. It&#039;s the same thing with lust - you don&#039;t have to physically commit adultery, you just have to look with lust and you have sinned before a perfect, holy, and righteous God who is just and must punish sin. According to God, we all deserve hell - eternal punishment. But that&#039;s not the end of the story. 

Now, for the answer to your question.
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Do you think that a Christian could murder a Jew or a Moslem or a Hindu or an atheist and still be a Christian? Do you really value Christian lives more than others.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

1. No, if done physically. But again, God calls us to a higher standard. He knows all of our thoughts...

2. No, I do not value Christian lives any more than another life. They are all precious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to God&#8217;s Word, there is no one good. All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. But enough Bible verses&#8230;just take a look at God&#8217;s Ten Commandments and tell me that you haven&#8217;t broken at least one of them. According to God, we are all liars, theives, adulterers, and even murderers.</p>
<p>But how can we all be murderers? Pretty simple. In the New Testament, Jesus tells us that if you hate your brother, you have committed murder in your heart &#8211; heavy stuff. It&#8217;s the same thing with lust &#8211; you don&#8217;t have to physically commit adultery, you just have to look with lust and you have sinned before a perfect, holy, and righteous God who is just and must punish sin. According to God, we all deserve hell &#8211; eternal punishment. But that&#8217;s not the end of the story. </p>
<p>Now, for the answer to your question.</p>
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Do you think that a Christian could murder a Jew or a Moslem or a Hindu or an atheist and still be a Christian? Do you really value Christian lives more than others.
</p></blockquote>
<p>1. No, if done physically. But again, God calls us to a higher standard. He knows all of our thoughts&#8230;</p>
<p>2. No, I do not value Christian lives any more than another life. They are all precious.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Blau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Blau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One salient oversight said, &quot;I don&#039;t see how a Christian can murder another Christian.&quot;  This left me wondering, do you think that a Christian could murder a Jew or a Moslem or a Hindu or an atheist and still be a Christian?   Do you really value Christian lives more than others.

Maybe I read you wrong, but if that&#039;s what you meant you make me sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One salient oversight said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t see how a Christian can murder another Christian.&#8221;  This left me wondering, do you think that a Christian could murder a Jew or a Moslem or a Hindu or an atheist and still be a Christian?   Do you really value Christian lives more than others.</p>
<p>Maybe I read you wrong, but if that&#8217;s what you meant you make me sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Blau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Blau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very surprised that you say that we are all bad and  are all capable of grabbing a gun and shooting anyone. I don&#039;t think that is true at all. While there are some people who are clearly evil and others who are deranged, most people are good.

I don&#039;t think that home schooling can be blamed for such events but I also don&#039;t think that those who are home schooled are any less likely to do such things than those who are not. It depends alot on who is doing the home schooling. There are those who are very much involved in the home schooling of their kids and others who are just not capable of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very surprised that you say that we are all bad and  are all capable of grabbing a gun and shooting anyone. I don&#8217;t think that is true at all. While there are some people who are clearly evil and others who are deranged, most people are good.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that home schooling can be blamed for such events but I also don&#8217;t think that those who are home schooled are any less likely to do such things than those who are not. It depends alot on who is doing the home schooling. There are those who are very much involved in the home schooling of their kids and others who are just not capable of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Agent Tim Online :: Culture And Theology--Hand In Hand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agent Tim Online :: Culture And Theology--Hand In Hand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] David Ludwig has now recieved that very sentence for killing his &#8220;girlfriend&#8217;s&#8221; father in mother in cold blood a few months ago. I covered this story closely. I pray that the report that Kara (the girlfriend), is now living with her siblings in another state and will be able to be given the chance to &#8220;ecapture her teenage years.&#8221; My heart goes out to all involved in this horrible event.  Judge David Ashworth, at the close of the proceeding, told Ludwig that his &#8220;selfish&#8221; acts that day had destroyed not only two lives, but Ludwig&#8217;s own and those of the victims&#8217; families, &#8220;and nothing you can do or say will ever change that.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] David Ludwig has now recieved that very sentence for killing his &#8220;girlfriend&#8217;s&#8221; father in mother in cold blood a few months ago. I covered this story closely. I pray that the report that Kara (the girlfriend), is now living with her siblings in another state and will be able to be given the chance to &#8220;ecapture her teenage years.&#8221; My heart goes out to all involved in this horrible event.  Judge David Ashworth, at the close of the proceeding, told Ludwig that his &#8220;selfish&#8221; acts that day had destroyed not only two lives, but Ludwig&#8217;s own and those of the victims&#8217; families, &#8220;and nothing you can do or say will ever change that.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Agent Tim Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agent Tim Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] David Ludwig killed his girlfriend&#8217;s parents. Patrick Armstrong killed his &#8220;friend,&#8221; who was a girl. And now, this 15-year-old gets himself killed because he&#8217;s depressed about a fight over a girl. That&#8217;s really warning number one when it comes to teens&#8211;watch out for the boy/girl relationship that can easily end up on the front page of Agent Tim Online. You really don&#8217;t want that to happen. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] David Ludwig killed his girlfriend&#8217;s parents. Patrick Armstrong killed his &#8220;friend,&#8221; who was a girl. And now, this 15-year-old gets himself killed because he&#8217;s depressed about a fight over a girl. That&#8217;s really warning number one when it comes to teens&#8211;watch out for the boy/girl relationship that can easily end up on the front page of Agent Tim Online. You really don&#8217;t want that to happen. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Who Shot Homeschooling? &#187; SmartHomeschool</title>
		<link>http://www.agenttimonline.com/2005/11/22/it-was-an-intentional-murder-i-intended-to-shoot-them-and-i-did/comment-page-1/#comment-5692</link>
		<dc:creator>Who Shot Homeschooling? &#187; SmartHomeschool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In the past months, many discussions about the total depravity of man have come about from some of the shootings in the news. Homeschoolers such as David Ludwig and Kara Borden, and more recently, Patrick Armstrong remind us that we are all sinners, and that we must all depend on Christ to save us. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In the past months, many discussions about the total depravity of man have come about from some of the shootings in the news. Homeschoolers such as David Ludwig and Kara Borden, and more recently, Patrick Armstrong remind us that we are all sinners, and that we must all depend on Christ to save us. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Agent Tim Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Just Like College</title>
		<link>http://www.agenttimonline.com/2005/11/22/it-was-an-intentional-murder-i-intended-to-shoot-them-and-i-did/comment-page-1/#comment-5448</link>
		<dc:creator>Agent Tim Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Just Like College</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That&#8217;s your weekly dose of good news (finally!). I&#8217;m somewhat tired of blogging on depressing, annoying, and just plain sad stories. But today is your day to run the blog&#8230;what&#8217;s on your mind? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That&#8217;s your weekly dose of good news (finally!). I&#8217;m somewhat tired of blogging on depressing, annoying, and just plain sad stories. But today is your day to run the blog&#8230;what&#8217;s on your mind? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DeputyHeadmistress</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeputyHeadmistress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, Tim, I didn&#039;t see your comment about having fakes everywhere until just now- but yes, exactly what you said- there are a lot of fakes, some of whom are very good at using God-talk as the lingua franca of the day.
Very astute observation there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, Tim, I didn&#8217;t see your comment about having fakes everywhere until just now- but yes, exactly what you said- there are a lot of fakes, some of whom are very good at using God-talk as the lingua franca of the day.<br />
Very astute observation there.</p>
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