Comments on: A Biblical Worldview on Immigration

By: David Ketter

David Ketter — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:15:42 +0000

Edward: Ouch.

Everyone else: Jerry Bowyer is (1) not liberal, (2) very conservative, (3) is very acquainted with Church history, traditions, and many strains of theology. In other words, he is very well-educated. While I don’t agree with all his conclusions (government given the sword, etc…), his argument IS logical and Biblically solid…like it or not.

By: Edward Choate

Edward Choate — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:20:54 +0000

My answer is :

Fine the illegal’s:
12 million Illegal’s = 12 million Illegal Immigrants ID cards that has fingerprint and DNA of every illegal Immigrant together with background check at $2000.00 each = $ 24.000.000.000 plus a fine for being here illegally of 2.000 each = 24.000.000.000. Plus Expenses for immigration documents 1000.00 = 12.000.000.000
24.000.000.000 + 24.000.000.000 + 12.000.000.000 =
US $ 60.000.000.000
Help pay the national debt with the money
Get rid of every one with criminal record.
Shoot anyone entering the US via desert until we build a Wall that will be a free duty area for immegrants that want the american way of life without having to come to america. This free duty work area (inside of the US) a publicly held enterprise hires immigrants to work in the factories for 5 years. After 5 years they get permition to move to inside the border if: They learn how to speak, read and write college level English and have no criminal records.

By: Abby

Abby — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:15:31 +0000

I have heard so many issues come up recently about what the US should do about immigration it makes me sick. I don’t know how well deporting would work, but I do know that we need to keep up our rules about illegal immigrants and not allow anymore to come and stay. My family technically immigrated from Germany but the legal way, and I must say for having to go through the whole system was a pain but for those that come in correctly, to see others just allowed to come in illegally, not pay any taxes, and get jobs, gets very annoying. My dad had to go through the whole green card deal, and almost got thrown out of the country for a mistake on the governments part. Our country really needs to uphold the law otherwise why obey any other laws they have made?

By: Agent Tim Online :: Culture And Theology--Hand In Hand

Agent Tim Online :: Culture And Theology--Hand In Hand — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:58:22 +0000

[...] I think Colossions 4:5-6 rings quite clearly in light of some of our recent discussions. Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. [...]

By: Tim

Tim — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:55:13 +0000

Daweed,
1. I’m not liberal, and as I’ve said numerous times, I’m still thinking through this.

2. I think you made my point about tone pretty clear. Remember, I’m looking at this from a Christian perspective, not a Republican (although I call myself one).

By: Daweed

Daweed — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:37:54 +0000

“our tone comes off as just terribly nasty. It comes off as unchristian, and immedietly turns people away from the message which is probably right on.”

Wow that sounded liberal to the max!
WHo cares what our tone is, if they come here illegally they shouldnt get a pretty present and then given citizenship because we dont have the guts to send them home.

The illegals have been more of a burden than a help to this nation. And when they say “We pay taxes” that is a load of bull****. they have no irs after them to pay like all of us have.

By: Palmboy

Palmboy — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:13:05 +0000

“The blame is not the immigrants but the employers who would cut corners and not pay taxes owed to the state.”

I beg to differ. The opportunity would not be available for the employers if not for the immigration laws being broken in the first place. The blame rests on both shoulders. The aliens, for breaking and entering, and the employers for hiring them.

By: Michael

Michael — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:39:16 +0000

regarding biblical immigrants,
sure they did not eat whatever they wanted, but did they pay the temple tax? or the king’s tax? that is the question. one of the real issues with illegal immigrants is that they don’t pay taxes and go to state paid schools and hospitals. The blame is not the immigrants but the employers who would cut corners and not pay taxes owed to the state.
In regards to legal immigration,
if you had little or no money you would not be doing this. legal immigration requires money. You have to buy the application each time and chances are if you don’t have money you won’t immigrate. America doesn’t want a nation of paupers.

it’s a tricky question, so I think that what bush did is most likely the path of least resistance.
oh well
Micahel

By: Scott W. Somerville

Scott W. Somerville — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:56:23 +0000

Tim, this is a hot one. Thanks for raising the topic! I’ve got WAY more to say about this than I can squeeze in here and now… but keep your eye on my blog for more on this.

By: Theo Pope

Theo Pope — Tue, 04 Jul 2006 21:39:21 +0000

I read the article and find it typical of many I have read or heard that use the scriptures the way they want to and do not give a full explanation on any topic.

Jerry Bower says “Immigration is different: The Bible is explicit. In the Torah, Moses commanded, “Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.” The Bible is unabashedly pro-immigrant.

The argument is simple: You were immigrants in Egypt, and you didn’t like being mistreated, so now that you have your own country, you should treat immigrants compassionately. Compassionate treatment of immigrants is basically an early version of the Golden Rule: Treat people the way you used to want to be treated when you were in Egypt.”

I believe the scripture is pro-alien but many texts state clearly that the alien is to follow God’s law not their own. The point is someone should look at all that the Bible teaches on immigration and write a clear article or two so that we are not misled. The following are only a few of the 56 verses that I am aware of using the term “alien”.

NAS Exodus 12:19 ‘Seven days there shall be no leaven found in your houses; for whoever eats what is leavened, that person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is an alien or a native of the land.

The alien could not eat what he wanted in their land.

NAS Leviticus 16:29 “And this shall be a permanent statute for you: in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall humble your souls, and not do any work, whether the native, or the alien who sojourns among you;

The alien could not work when he wanted in their land.

NAS Leviticus 17:12 “Therefore I said to the sons of Israel, ‘No person among you may eat blood, nor may any alien who sojourns among you eat blood.’

The alien could not eat blood in their land.

NAS Leviticus 17:15 “And when any person eats an animal which dies, or is torn by beasts, whether he is a native or an alien, he shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and remain unclean until evening; then he will become clean.

The alien had follow cleansing rites in their land.

NAS Leviticus 18:26 ‘But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among you

The alien could not do abominations in their land.

The issue is illegal aliens and what does the Bible have to say about these things. The aliens in the O.T. were to follow the same laws as the Hebrews and the Hebrews were to treat them as they would be treated — under God’s law not some version of their own idea of what compassion meant. The alien in the O.T. was not considered to be illegal as far as I can tell. But they God’s law was to be applied equally to all who were under their jurisdiction.

This is an excellent topic that needs full development of thought from both the Old and New Testaments.